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[jray]

Thank you! It most likely will happen sooner or later. A up and down on the local lift is $100.00 Which I've done three times now, making a lift I can store and use when needed at home, priceless!

[Chad]

No lifts around here, unless you count a local farm tractor. Or, renting a petibone from the construction rental yard...

I assembled the A with nails, and used screws to connect the beam and its diagonals. I have the A's stored on brackets on a garage wall now, for future use.

[admin]

Question: I haven't tried this obviously, but when we were lifting the boat off the stands to flip it, I figured it would be easy (relatively) to just lay the boat (push the boat) over on it's side to insert the keel...what is wrong with this way of thinkng? Like this (pictured) only a little further. Watt am I missing? --signed, Dim Bulb

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[ryderp]

I really don't see any problem with that approach if 1) you have some way to hold the keel up after you insert it and 2) you have some strong people to help with lifting the boat (which would then weigh pretty close to 800 lbs.).

I left the screw-eyes in the ceiling of my garage in case I ever need to lift the boat again. Although I think that I'm going to buy a cheep power winch if I need to do that. Using pulleys was hard work.

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Phil

[Chad]

I tried a version of the tilt and insert, but working alone it just wasn't going to be pretty.

I got a chain hoist on eBay for around $75, and it has made lifting stuff pretty easy. Reaching toward the middle of the boat to work the chain while 12' in the air is the sketchiest part.

The gantry took 30 minutes to bang together (my 6 year old daughter drove a few of the nails, doubtlessly shaving many minutes from the project), and used about $30 in lumber.

The State Patrol just showed up to do the new VIN inspection, I ran halyards today, and generally checked a bunch of items off my list. Looks like a nice forecast this weekend...

[cstay]

awesome! Let us all know how she sails!

[micah202]

...exciting times Chad,,,promise you'll call it 'Gizmo'??

[Chad]

Heh, I think Craig's suggestion was "Cobweb"...

[noemar]

Chad,
How did you determine the balance point for attachment of your lifting sling? I have been wondering how to set up a lifting ring/strap similiar to the one used on a J24.

[Chad]

I needed the hook to be aft of frame 124 so the keel could slide upward past it. I used a pair of 3' lifting straps to eyes on f110 each side of the the companionway, and a pair of lines aft to the kite blocks to pull the hook far enough aft. With the hook this far aft, I needed to add a 2.5 gallon bucket of water to the back end of the boat to balance it.

The boat balances just about over the middle of the keel otherwise.

The lifting eyes I'm using will also be the forward attachment points for the hiking straps. Seen from inside and outside in these two pics:

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[Chad]

....oh, and by the way, the last pic shows my cedar slat cabin sole installed. I'm quite happy with it- took a 5 minute siesta there just to "test it out".

[Chad]

awesome! Let us all know how she sails!

After the visit from Smokey, I thought I was all good to go at the vehicle license department. But they just looked at me funny and said "huh?" So I gotta mail the forms to the capitol, and wait a while before I'm legal. Took the day off from building to get actual work done instead. Sucks!

[Chad]

awesome! Let us all know how she sails!

After the visit from Smokey, I thought I was all good to go at the vehicle license department. But they just looked at me funny and said "huh?" So I gotta mail the forms to the capitol, and wait a while before I'm legal. Took the day off from building to get actual work done instead. Sucks!

[cstay]

i can guarentee my boat and trailer will not be legal when my boat starts sailing

[Kevin]

On the lifting points I'd recommend against using points at or near frame 110. This is basically the center of gravity of the boat. I used my chain plates with similar lack of steadiness that Chad describes. Imagine lifting the boat and having a few inches of water inside rush forward to the bow and then she just keeps on going.

The stable setup for a lifting harness is 2 points well aft of the center of gravity and 1 well forward. I have eye straps aft of 169 for my bridle at the cockpit sole/side joint and then the forestay fitting at the bow. You traveler folks could probably rig something to that track if you didn't have another hard point. A 3 piece spectra harness to a ring big enough to go onto the lift hook in the middle and voila you have a very stable lifting harness. It's also easy to position the ring over the keel so you can lift the boat and keel with one setup.

Kevin.

[Chad]

I've found the CG to be several inches behind 110, say about 116. Using the lifting eyes at 110, I use a bridle from kite block, through the hook, and back to the kite block. Using a simple trucker hitch, I just pull this tight until I get the hook aft and over the CG. With the rig in place, I imagine I'd need to pull the hook a little further aft to induce some bow down trim, which is what I had when I deliberately pulled the hook aft of the keel.

Craig, the local launch ramp is run by a state franchisee, they get maybe a half dozen boats a day this time of year, and the City revenue sticker is something they're keen to see. Gotta be otherwise legal to get the sticker, so I'm stuck with needing to comply.

[Mist]

Does any body know where the data is on boat weights? Should I start a new thread "Boat Weight"? I don't want to re-invent the wheel.

Mist approximate weight with hull complete minus outside glass, filler and paint (290 lbs). Bye the way, the scale was cheap ($35.00) it Bass Pro. Seams pretty accurate in the middle of it's band as my weight in it was identical to the bathroom scale.

[slowpoke]

Hi Tim, it would be a good idea to run a different thread. This one's getting too long and things are getting lost in here that would and should be in their own threads. I thought about closing and locking this one recently, I think your subject, as well as the CG discussion, should both have their own threads.

[admin]

Someone locked this one? Seems a bit premature as the digressions (not really hijacks) have been moved to new threads (sub-forums on phpBB)

So, I unlocked it...afterall, some of us are not done and this is a way to see what others are doing and ask questions that are pertinent questions that may come up at that particular snapshot in time.

Speaking of which, I am throwing in the towel and moving on to apply paint on the first warmish day we get in the future....I'm done, I give up, the nicks and bump win, smoothness loses. F it.

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[admin]

unlocked?

[Chad]

loosed.

[ryderp]

I know I felt like I was making progress when I put some coats of paint on the bottom of my boat. You can still fix divots, bumps and what-not with fairing compound in between layers of primer, so you can still "win" the battle.

Phil

[slowpoke]

I just felt like this was turning into a catch-all thread that was hiding some really good subjects that deserved their own threads.

[admin]

I hear ya.

Locking it though, means it will plummet off the page due to inactivity. It's a good thread for someone who is getting started b/c it demonstrates a certain tenacity and don't-give-up spirit that has gotten a lot of us slackers through the boat-building equivalent of writer's block. So, I'd hate to see it disappear due to never getting bumped up to the top once in awhile.

Never hesitate to start a new thread, though! I'd much rather this forum have too much info than too little. Just look to make sure no one has already started a similar thread, b/c redundancy does get tiresome!

and by the way, thanks for starting it!

[Tim Ford]

I put on a second coat of primer on Thanksgiving morning and you-all are right, once the boat gets all white you can see the little imperfections and stuff a lot more clearly. One thing I noticed also, is that the last 2 feet or so of my starboard chine are kind of wavy. I knew I had an issue there, but it looks sort of nasty. I think it all stems from the hull panel slipping up inside the bottom panel (instead of against the bottom panel) when I tied it all together about a hundred years ago.

I looked at some other boats on blogs and it looks to me like a few other boats are not perfectly perfect along the chines back there, so I probably will just keep painting. One thing for sure: I do not have hard chines. I am not sure where we left it in the Rules, but my chines are really quite radius'ed and it is a lot harder, for me at least, to make a consistently straight and perfect soft chine than a hard one whereby two planes come together to a sharp angle.

so it goes....